2012 Daytona Speedweeks

Jordan Robson wrote:

lol.

lol.

So to get on a little bit of a lighter note, looks like tomorrow is gonna be a long day with the weather.

You so cool Jake. Wish I could be as cool as you.

god forbid someone tries to explain their opinion without getting bashed, locking this before it gets more out of hand than it already it

No need to lock the thread.

Jake Poulin wrote:

god forbid someone tries to explain their opinion without getting bashed, locking this before it gets more out of hand than it already it

There is a difference between opinions and making a stupid statement. Not sure why you locked this. I'm going to unlock this, and if anyone starts up a fight, not a argument after this post will have their post deleted.

Jake Poulin wrote:

god forbid someone tries to explain their opinion without getting bashed, locking this before it gets more out of hand than it already it

Where were you getting bashed? Nobody bashed you. We bashed Kurt Busch and you got offended.

I'm sorry we can't have an honest fucking discussion without somebody turning into a fucking sarcastic. We were doing fine Jake but you seem to think your opinion outweighs all others. Fine if you disagree but just because somebody disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean they are just being unreasonable douchebags.

That's what DEBATING is for but it's impossible with you. This wasn't even about YOU. It was about KURT BUSCH. YOU made it about Jake.

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Richard Allen ‏ @RacingWithRich
I was listening to KuBu's spotter and he was yelling for Kurt to move up and block. #NASCAR

That reporter on twitter is usually a very credible source. So I think right there would be your answer.

But you can't block someone when that someone is already dead on your right? Kurts the man at the wheel, hes a former Cup Champion. He shouldn't need a spotter to tell him how to drive the car.

Jenna Fryer:
Kurt Busch: "We were up front, leading laps and doing exactly what James Finch would have wanted. We took the white leading and had the lead halfway down the back. Everybody was side drafting and we got separated. ... I went to crowd the outside lane, didn't know that there were two cars up there. I thought it was just a single lane. I was trying to side draft to get the best finish I could at the end. Everybody was racing to the end. Man, a lot of tore up cars. That's just everybody full throttle at the end."

He almost put Logano in the wall even before Tony stuck his nose in there. Still a dirty move.. Just sayin'

Its possible to 'side draft' without putting someone in the wall.

Still his fault too, not fully, but mostly. At least most of the cars that were torn up in that crash were the big teams and not the small teams.

NASCARGearhead wrote:

Jenna Fryer:
Kurt Busch: "We were up front, leading laps and doing exactly what James Finch would have wanted. We took the white leading and had the lead halfway down the back. Everybody was side drafting and we got separated. ... I went to crowd the outside lane, didn't know that there were two cars up there. I thought it was just a single lane. I was trying to side draft to get the best finish I could at the end. Everybody was racing to the end. Man, a lot of tore up cars. That's just everybody full throttle at the end."

Jake Poulin wrote:

and I think Kurt must have thought there was only 1 car above him I don't think he would have came up that much if he knew they were 3 wide. I'd like to hear what his spotter was telling him. I'm not saying he didn't cause the wreck, I'm saying it wasn't as blatant as you guys are saying it is.

My thoughts exactly

NASCARGearHead wrote:

Jenna Fryer:
Kurt Busch: "We were up front, leading laps and doing exactly what James Finch would have wanted. We took the white leading and had the lead halfway down the back. Everybody was side drafting and we got separated. ... I went to crowd the outside lane, didn't know that there were two cars up there. I thought it was just a single lane. I was trying to side draft to get the best finish I could at the end. Everybody was racing to the end. Man, a lot of tore up cars. That's just everybody full throttle at the end."

So, in shortform, "I tried to block and I messed up"

I understand exactly what he was trying to do. I still think he's an idiot for doing it. He damn near drove Logano into the wall, and that would have likely caused a wreck even if Stewart and Sadler weren't coming on the high line.

For the sake of all our sanity I really hope tomorrow's race goes as flawlessly as possible

looks like he gave enough room for one lane of cars, not two. just like he said. not even close to putting Logano in the wall

OK dude, fine you are right. If Tony Stewart and Elliot Sadler weren't there, he would have only driven Logano to the wall and they probably wouldn't have wrecked.

I wasn't trying to get this heated up again, just saying what i thought i saw. Alright if that's what you think

Ok, sorry. I'm trying my best to keep cool.

By looking at one screenshot, you are only looking at one instant, one singular moment. You just can't do that. You have to look at the whole thing. I'll give you that Kurt probably wouldn't have put Logano in the wall, but he did come pretty damn close to doing it.

I'll agree again that his spotter should have let him know that Stewart was coming hard on the high lane. So I'll acknowledge that it was possible he didn't know they were coming up there.

I still say he was thinking extremely optimistically if he really and truly believe he alone was going to slow down Joey Logano, and it was idiotic and wreckless and dangerous that he drove him across the entire track to try and do it. That decision to push Logano all the way out to the wall, pushed him directly into the path of Stewart.

Ultimately, that wreck was the fault of Kurt Busch. That is just how I view it. I acknowledge all of your points, and respect them as your opinion. I will gladly agree to disagree.

I say, either way, Busch is a dumbass and a douchebag. I won't be approving of anything he does until he can prove he's a good person and the same goes with Kyle, he didn't do anything this race, but I can't like someone who thinks they are the greatest in the world, and must have everything go their way or else they become a 2 year old throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his candy bar for misbehaving...

I said before that i did think that the wreck was his fault completely I just didn't agree with bashing him before we got any further analysis. that was the only thing i disagreed with. now that we have the situation cleared up its all good.

tl;dr too many cars trying to fit into one place.

I blame Jennifer Jo Cobb for this incident.